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One of the paragraphs in the article references Michael Collins' election as a "Teachta Dála" in 1918, although An Dáil Éireann was formed in 1919. Would it not be more suitable to change the statement to "he was elected an MP, later serving as a TD after the forming of the Dáil Éireann on 21 January, 1919" This is just a suggestiom, I may be wrong which is why I will leave this to any editors and experts on the subject. 85.208.36.24 (talk) 21:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, thank you. Terminology tweaked to clear this up Billsmith60 (talk) 20:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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"Death" or "Assassination"?

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A recent editor contends that "people killed during military engagements in a war aren't assassinated", I would dispute this, assassination is often a tactic of war and is described as such; see: Assassination of Reinhard Heydrich and Dzhokhar Dudayev, where the killings of military leaders in operations specifically intended to target them in the context of military conflict are described as assassinations. The circumstance of Heydrich's death in particular is rather similar; a high-ranking officer was shot in an ambush while he rode in a vehicle. BRMSF (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Collins was killed in action. (ParsleySt1 (talk) 08:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I am not sure assassination is fair. It was an ambush. An assassination is when the I.R.A. shot Teachta Dálas. In this case there was no plan to just kill him but by accident he happened upon them and they quickly moved to exploit it because they knew he had to return by that route. You could argue it is only an assassination if the person killed is important (During War-Time.). Being pernickety about it, he was a valid target militarily speaking as he was in control of the military. John Not Real Name (talk) 23:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Ireland

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Collins had already ended his support for an IRA offensive in Northern Ireland before his death, and stopped sending weapons there. ParsleySt1 (talk) 08:31, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, please correct that with a reference Billsmith60 (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was this newspaper article, but it seems not to be online now: https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/why-the-big-fellow-has-little-to-teach-political-parties-in-modern-ireland-2307165.html (ParsleySt1 (talk) 18:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC))[reply]
I know he had talks with the Northern-Premier and in any case the Irish Civil War (1922-1923) meant that even the Northern Irish Republican Army went South to fight for the Provisional Government. John Not Real Name (talk) 23:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Middle Name

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What is his middle-name? John Not Real Name (talk) 23:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]