Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yeniche

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The result of the debate was KEEP. dbenbenn | talk 01:39, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yeniche

Radiant! 10:42, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC): Described as 'a group of German travelers'. No actual content. Vanity?

Keep, language and ethnic group [1] Kappa 11:05, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Keep. kinda stubby though. Nateji77 12:55, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Delete, article does not establish notability. Megan1967 02:11, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Keep, it may grow. Wyss 12:13, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Keep. This is perfectly legit, even if stubby (I have marked it as such). There are many French, German and other language sites on the web on the subject. Clearly a distinct group with a history, culture and language of their own. Needs expanding, is all. HowardB 16:23, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Needs to be rewritten from scratch as there's really nothing here, which is a little more than just a "cleanup". Right now it defines Yeniche as "a group of German travellers". By that definition when Kraftwerk go on tour they become "Yeniche", which I don't think is accurate. When nothing is better than what's currently in the article, to me that's a delete rather than a cleanup. Vote will change if it's improved to a keepable state before deletion. I'd try to fix it myself, but google only gets me hits that say its an obscure language in Germany. I think the Yeniche people are defined solely by the language, as far as I can tell. Maybe some linguist or something can write a real article here. -R. fiend 20:41, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Keep. The Jenisch/Yeniche are the third largest group of "Gypsies" in Europe, ranging through Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and parts of France (hence German Travelers). They are linguistically and culturally distinct from other "Gypsy" groups, and one sometimes encounters statements that they are not "Gypsies". It is a notable group and merit an article. Their history in Switzerland is particularly interesting since there allegedly was a concerted effort up until the 1970's by groups funded by the Swiss government to put members of the Jenisch into mental institutions and to force the children into adoption, in an effort basically to destroy the group. The Swiss government eventually apologized for these actions. The article is sub-stubby at present, and I normally vote to delete sub-stubs. I wouldn't blame anyone for voting that way on this article, but if it is retained I commit to expanding it within the next few days. --BM 02:03, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I just remembered that I have a book on the Gypsies that I started reading a while back and never picked up again. It actually has a couple pages on the Yeniche, so I have some information I can add, once I do a bit more reading for context. I won't change my vote until improvements are actually made, though, by myself or BM or whomever. -R. fiend 02:39, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Note - they're Travelers, not travelers - that is to say, Gypsies. Keep - I've just expanded the article, using information taken from this VFD debate DS 15:06, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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