Talk:The Amboy Dukes (band)

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A start

Something to start with. I got most of the data for this entry from classic bands. --Michaeltaft 22:45, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

This violates NPOV

This violates the NPOV. It is clearly from Nugent's POV. The other members of the band, such as singer Steve Farmer, viewed the band differently.

Please provide more information as to what particularly is NPOV, and what can be done to fix it. Without that no work can be done. As it stands right now, it seems the article simply has a focus on Nugent because he is the bands leadman and the most famous member of the band. Also, the author does not clearly bias the article towards Nugent's point of view, he simply states what Nugent though. And also, please sign your comments. Lordthees 18:42, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Guitarist Farmer and singer John Drake were the main songwriters and the de facto leaders of the Amboy Dukes. Nugent was not the "leadman". In an interview with Farmer which is not available online, Farmer deprecated Nugent's creative role in the Amboy Dukes, and mentioned some rather embarrassing personal details about Nugent. From Farmer's POV, Nugent was the one who needed babysitting - he came across as a spoiled brat and none too intelligent. Farmer did emphasize that Nugent was the only member not involved in drug activity and promiscuous sex with groupies, so Nugent was not hiding anything when he denied those things.

The main POV problem is the article presenting Nugent as leader, mainly because of his going on to a successful solo career, while Farmer and Drake did not. Prairie Dog

I've attempted to resolve all this, by presenting both accounts of Dukes history, and expanding a bit further upon their music. Accordingly I've taken off the NPOV tag. Wasted Time R 02:34, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Along with the aforementioned members, the original bassist was called "mom" (I forget his name at the moment) because he was large and looked like a biker trying to be a band member. I used to roady for several groups and sell them their equiptment in Detroit before they hit the charts. Some part time, or as needed, others weekends as the Detroit area was building a large following from groups like the MC-5, Amboy Dukes, SRC (Scott Richard Case), The Stooges (Iggy Pop), Alice Cooper Group, Tim-Tam and the Turn Ons, Frigid Pink, Bob Segar Group, The Rationals and on and on. A lot of them played the Grande Ballroom as either headliners or opening acts for larger international groups. As far as the break up of the Amboy Dukes, everyone in the area recognized Nugent as the leader De Facto, mainly due to his stage presence, which over shadowed the other members, and his lead guitar ability. Sad to say, most of the groups broke up as their success escalated. This was partly due to unscrupulous managers or agents, who recognized the most visible member of a group and would convince them to leave the group and go solo. This would eliminate the other members from shared royalty rights and even distribution among the members. That explains the trash talk by many members of groups who have had their star member leave to go solo. So, Amboy Dukes, Ted Nugent and the Amboy Dukes, Ted Nugent! Hope this helps!Organizedconfusion 18:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)Organizedconfusion[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Amboy Dukes

Well before the music group, the Amboy Dukes were a notorious gang of street toughs. Their fictionalized story was present in a novel of the Same name. The name of the author escapes me.

71.74.73.4 (talk) 02:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)Len[reply]

Irving Shulman is the name of the author of the book the Amboy Dukes. It would be worth adding this to the article, if any has a reference in which Ted Nugget says he named the group after this book under the origin of the name of the group. Maybe some other member named the group, as Ted Nugget does not seem to be the kind of guy to like this book. But, I have not read the book yet. It's not on Kindle. Apriv40dj (talk) 13:52, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A possible Reunion in 2009?

http://freep.com/article/20090416/ENT04/904160317

"The Amboy Dukes are being presented with a distinguished achievement award at the Fillmore Detroit on Friday as part of the 2009 Detroit Music Awards. In honor of the occasion, Nugent has re-formed the group and will play with his old bandmates for the first time in more than three decades."

12.184.83.66 (talk) 15:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Farmer?

None of the lineups for the band include guitarist Steve Farmer. If you click on the "Journey to the Center of the Mind" album link, it talks extensively about his contributions to that album. It says that he wrote all the songs. Was he not a member of the band? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.207.237.10 (talk) 16:44, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Farmer was indeed with the band for their first three albums and was most certainly listed as I have added him before. I have added references, a timeline and correct line-ups from the studio releases. Hopefully the group member information will not be corrupted again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.45.138 (talk) 02:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Name

In the lede we have

The band's name comes from the title of a novel by Irving Shulman.

But that's not exactly true, it comes from a defunct Detroit band which was named after the book, and Ted Nugent thought that sounded cool and used it. He'd never heard of the book. So it really comes at one remove from the book. I've got three sources saying that, but none are what you would consider reliable, so... it's just that as stated it implies that someone in the band knew of the book, which they didn't. Herostratus (talk) 02:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On Expansion Requests

I noticed that this article and articles for the Amboy Dukes' studio albums have templates requesting expansion. These were all added in May 2023 by one editor, RockabillyRaccoon, who is currently blocked indefinitely.

It seems to me that these articles are of a respectable length considering their notability. My inclination is to remove these templates but I wanted to consult others first. On some of the articles for the studio albums, the editor also added templates that the article relies heavily on one source. This is true, but is it that big of a deal considering their lack of historical importance? Should the articles perhaps be removed considering Wikipedia's notability guidelines for music? IsaacWikiEditor (talk) 05:21, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]