Talk:Antonio Valero de Bernabé

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Did you know... that General Antonio Valero de Bernabé is said to have used his skills as a ventriloquist to fool his enemies into believing that their weapons were possessed?

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"He subsequently joined Bolívar and fought with him gaining his confidence and made "Military Chief of the Department of Panama", "Governor of Puerto Cabello", "Chief of Staff of Colombia", "Minister of War and Maritime of Venezuela" and, in 1849, was promoted to the rank of Brigadier General by Bolívar.[1]"

This is a strange sentence, considering Bolívar died in 1830. The linked article doesn't mention this either. What it does say is that General Carlos Soublette recommended Valero for the post of Brigardier General in the Colombian Army. I'm not sure what source the sentence in the article uses.

201.242.110.159 (talk) 06:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are right! General Carlos Soublette, recommended that General Francisco de Paula Santander the Vice President of Colombia to name Valero to the rank of Brigadier General of the Colombian Army. It must have been a typo. Tony the Marine (talk) 07:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bernabé/Bernabe

Marine 69-71, he's your national hero, not mine, but as far as I know the name's written with an accent mark. Why d'you take it off? –Hajor 19:23, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

English Tidy

I have tightened up the use of English - as it was too chatty and not encylcopaedic. A curate's egg 10:17, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 07:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Antonio Valero de Bernabé

... that General Antonio Valero de Bernabé (pictured) is said to have used his skills as a ventriloquist to fool his enemies into believing that their weapons were possessed?

Source: "Valero de Bernabé was a ventriloquist. Palma wrote about this skill in El Fraile y la Monja del Callao and Un ventrílocuo. In the first, the author narrates an incident where Valero de Bernabé was surrounded in an alley while returning to Bellavista, concealing himself and used his skill to project revolutionary cries as if they were coming from the rifles of the royalist, who were shocked and dropped the weapons before running away to his amusement." (Source)

Reviewed: Soetardjo Kartohadikusumo

Expanded by Caribbean H.Q. (talk). Self-nominated at 00:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

5x expansion is verified and a QPQ has been done. I also didn't find any close paraphrasing. The article is primarily sourced to a single source: a book that I can't access, but it isn't really a DYK concern and is acceptable, I just felt that it had to be noted. As for the hook itself, it is cited inline, and while it is interesting, the article doesn't actually explicitly say the word "possessed", the connection is merely implicit. It may be a good idea to include the word "possessed" somewhere in the relevant section (along with repeating the footnote about him being a ventriloquist for DYK referencing purposes). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. I will go ahead and mention it in the prose as suggested, since Valero’s ventriloquism is well documented in 19th century sources. For example, it was also mentioned in a 1824 Colombian newspaper (see reference 81). - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Caribbean H.Q.: I can't seem to see where the word "possessed" (in reference to the ventriloquism) is mentioned in the article (the word is in the article, but they refer to his personal qualities and not the ventriloquism). I was thinking more of the word being added to the paragraph about the incident under the "Personal life" section. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:49, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a bit about the weapons being possessed by a demon, quoting the same Palma reference already used: “Los de la ronda, que eran ocho hombres, arrojaron al suelo esos fusiles en los que se había metido el demonio, fusiles insurgentes que habían tenido la audacia de prorrumpir en voces subversivas...” - Caribbean~H.Q. 16:18, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. GTG. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:15, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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