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On 15 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Project MKUltra to MKUltra. The result of the discussion was moved.

Current Reverberations of MK Ultra in popular culture via extremist organizations and conspiracy theories

I would suggest adding or linking to some recent references to MKUltra in recent social media and propaganda materials. For instance, in this twitter image of a chat re children being removed from homes of adherents of Queen Didula Romana in Canada, children who reject the parents' beliefs are referred to as having fallen prey to MKUltra: https://twitter.com/MintTea778165/status/1742944212750901584/photo/3

It is apparently also being used as proof that the "Deep State" exists and is broadly manipulating people's behaviors and beliefs. The ramifications of both of these uses make MKUltra more than a historical footnote in current North American culture. Closcholar (talk) 17:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The right way to do this is to find reliable secondary sources that specifically discuss this phenomenon. It's not appropriate to make broad claims by pointing at individual tweets or similar material, and even if we had a million similar tweets, we'd still need secondary sources to support any claims in this article to avoid original research. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 01:57, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any actual evidence that these secret programs have been stopped other then the very same people involved in them saying that they have ended them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.154.183.90 (talk) 10:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pop culture

Mk Ultra is also present in tv series “Project Bluebook” during 2nd season. 2001:8A0:682A:7B01:895A:EFC9:CC8F:34E0 (talk) 15:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a recent film of the same name.

MK Ultra (film) - Wikipedia 2A0A:EF40:12F0:C01:60E7:D633:4B57:EA3C (talk) 00:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Status on possible subject

Randall Turner has made multiple claims about being a MKUltra slave but with no proof. Is this true or not? 2601:8B:8401:6A80:4890:10EE:F7B0:2581 (talk) 00:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LSD & Army

Used by VA to treat alcoholism in vetsni "48 w/ PTSD. Ken Kesey got bottles of it working 3rd shift, hence precise dosing of earlysugar cubes. Program developed to find out why US officers folded so easy in Korea. Yes, I have partially redacted Army documents. 2600:1700:9AAE:7010:D3E5:A312:DF73:FCFA (talk) 22:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Experiments on Canadians / In popular culture

Ewen Cameron's experiments have a major part in the backstory to Louise Perry's mystery The Madness of Crowds (part of the Chief Inspector Armand Gamache series). 67.231.67.253 (talk) 17:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"MK" and "Ultra" explanations, WHERE should they be?

I assume that almost all people who come across the term MK-Ultra do this via a documentation. This means: they already know, through this documentation, - at least vaguely - WHAT MK-Ultra is.

I also assume that most documentations don't bother to explain what the "MK" and the "Ultra" mean or don't mean, respectively how they came into existence.

So, I assume: to any one having come in contact with this term, there remain two questions:

What does this "MK" mean? and
Why was this "Ultra" chosen?

And, meanwhile I know, there is a difference:

the references are coded by numbers and
the (two) notes are coded by letters.

But honestly: what do you think, how many percent of the general users/readers do know of this LITTLE difference? I don't think there are many.

While reading this article I was NOT aware of this little difference, and I over-read the "a" and "b", assuming they were links to references; and I am using and editing in the WP for several years.

Because of above assumptions and facts, I opt that these two explanations:

NOT be "hidden" behind tiny !, high set [a][b] s, but
are placed as PLAINLY readable text, which does NOT require the interested to anything else but reading - NO need to use the mouse or finger.

Further I opt that these two parts are explained very close to the beginning of the article, preferably in separate paragraphs.

Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 18:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re. the links CIA cryptonym#Format of cryptonyms and CIA cryptonym#Digraphs in the (until now) footnotes.

Fact A: The introduction of the article "CIA cryptonym" is very short.

Fact B: The result is that the chapter "Format of cryptonyms" is very close to the head of this article "CIA cryptonym".

My opinion: Everyone who wants to know anything about these "CIA cryptonyms" should first read the introduction of this article "CIA cryptonyms".

Because of all this, it is better to only link to CIA cryptonym.

Ping welcome, Steue (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization? Rename?

It seems like MKULTRA is the proper title for this article, as it's the canonical name, fits codeword naming, and is described as such by an overwhelming set of official sources.

MKUltra can just redirect to the new title, making it a no-op 73.202.95.43 (talk) 22:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]