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Birthday

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His birthday is not correct, he was born on the 13th of September, not the 18th. Ave Codreanu! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.236.199 (talk) 10:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

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This article has been vandalised beyond belief, and it cannot be undone due to an edit war.

Would someone with some admin power be so good as to fix this and add the first section back in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.92.162.159 (talk) 23:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Awkward wording

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"Despite some statements according to which Ion Zelea Codreanu was originally a Slav of Ukrainian or Polish origin."
Could this be integrated in another sentence?--Adûnâi (talk) 00:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many people thought that he was a "Slav" due to his "Zelinski" name. When Bukovina was under Polish administration (belonging to the province of Galicia), his paternal grandfather was forced by authorities to change his name from Zelea to Zelinski.

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Birth name

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Corneliu Zelea Codreanu's birth name was not Corneliu Zelinski. His father's birth name was Ion Zelinki, but he changed it to Ion Zelea Codreanu. Cezar Teodosiu (talk) 15:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is marturisitorii.ro, and why should we rely on their story about his birth name? —C.Fred (talk) 18:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Corneliu Zelea Codreanu's birth certificate

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The website https://www.marturisitorii.ro/2018/03/22/premiera-arhivele-nationale-publica-actul-de-nastere-al-capitanului-miscarii-legionare-corneliu-zelea-codreanu-extras-din-registrului-starii-civile-iasi-din-septembrie-1899-document/ contains photos with Corneliu Zelea Codreanu's original birth certificate, which says that its birth name is Corneliu Codreanu, not Corneliu Zelinski. The birth certificate has been published by Iasi National Archives on March 20, 2018 and it's written in an old dialect of Romanian language. Please don't reverse my modification of Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Wikipedia page. Cezar Teodosiu (talk) 18:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cezar teodosiu: Please address the question above about what the marturisitorii.ro website is. —C.Fred (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The website it's a blog where people post their informations about a certain pearson. In this case, someone that contacted Iasi National Archives posted Corneliu Zelea Codreanu's birth certificate on this website. Cezar Teodosiu (talk) 18:59, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And there's the weakness. The source is a blog, with no real reassurance that the poster contacted the archives. —C.Fred (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Minor note

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His funeral was in December of 1938, as he died on the 30th of November, so there would have been no time for him to have had his funeral on the same day, someone should change what is written in the caption beneath. StrongALPHA (talk) 09:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV?

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This sentence clause is questionable as to neutrality: "From the beginning, a commitment to the values of the Eastern Orthodox Church was core to the message of the Legion." All the values of the Orthodox Church? Which particular values? These guys were actual murderers and violent anti-Semites. This sentence is very much like the nonsense we see today about Putin being a "committed Christian." I'm editing it to say "From the beginning, the Legion claimed that a commitment to the values of the Eastern Orthodox Church was central to its message." Pascalulu88 (talk) 11:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)Pascalulu88 (talk) 11:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most Eastern Orthodox Romanians at the time were anti-Semites. They were also poor and uneducated (also: theologically uneducated, more ruled by superstitions than by dogmas). And the Romanian Orthodox Church tried to cater at its existing believers. Anti-Semitism wasn't actually rooted out of Christianity till the end of WW2. tgeorgescu (talk) 15:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply! But the Church never claimed political assassination and anti-Semitism as morally justified did it? I don't think those things reflected the actual "values" of the Church, did they? Pascalulu88 (talk) 02:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mwah... about assassination, they said neither yes nor no, they were minding their own businesses. About anti-Semites: many higher clergy of the ROC were vicious anti-Semites. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The saturation of anti-Semitism in Romania through all classes is pretty surprising to an outsider. Pascalulu88 (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly: Romanian large land owners used Jews as middle men between them and peasants, so that they could blame the Jews for spoliating the peasants. And since the land was largely agrarian, almost everyone had contact with peasants, if not relatives who were peasants. Jews were also blamed for running pubs, for earning money from people getting drunk. Almost every skilled factory worker or merchant was a Jew, so the envy of the poor people was directed at them. So, this was class issue complicated by a race issue. Like in North Ireland: Protestants owned most of the money, and Catholics owned little money. If wealth distribution is too imbalanced it leads to religious hate.
So, such hate had social-economic causes. I'm not saying the antisemites were right, but they were not crazy, either. They just did not understood the social-economic reasons for their hate. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:14, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply! I read that when Romania became fully independent, they sought recognition from the major European powers but that the UK and France hesitated because they were concerned about antisemitism in the new government. The Romanians replied that they were OK with Sephardic Jews because they had lived there a long time and had a Latin culture but that the Jews they despised were all Ashkenazi immigrants from Poland. The French and the Brits pushed the issue and the Romanians nominally legislated against antisemitism.
Was this true about accepting the Ladino speaking Sephardic Jews, or just BS? Was there any distinction made between the Sephardim and Ashkenazim in the 1930s and 1940s when antisemitism got out of control? Pascalulu88 (talk) 12:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, I'm not a historian, like Tudor V. Georgescu. tgeorgescu (talk) 15:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

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Charismatic simply means one who mesmerizes his followers. That is the reason for my revert. tgeorgescu (talk) 19:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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