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Which David Bates?

This article reads,"The musician, David Bates lives there."

Question is, which musician David Bates? David Bates (pianist) or David Bates (guitarist) ?

Kevyn 21:15, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

As someone who used to go to school with David Bates, I can confirm that it is David Bates the piano player who lives in Stalybridge. He is a well known pianist in the Tameside area. However, I think that the guitarist may be his father but not quite sure. I will confirm this as soon as I can. I remember something about them both having the same name but I don’t know if David Bates senior is/was a guitarist. - Chris H

If anyone knows any more about David Bates, his connection with Stalybridge and his notability, please post it here, as the reference to him has now (rightly) been removed from the article. --OscarTheCat ^talk

19:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Cheshire

Stalybridge is in the traditional county of Cheshire. The traditional counties still exist and so it's incorrect to say that Stalybridge was in Cheshire. During the 15 years or so that I lived in Stalybridge (in the 1980s and 1990s) virtually everybody wrote "Stalybridge, Cheshire" as their postal address. I can only remember letters from the Council giving addresses as "Stalybridge, Tameside". I've edited the article to state that Stalybridge is both in Cheshire and Tameside. 88.105.134.227 17:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are no such legal entities as "traditional counties", it is incorrect to say that Stalybrige is in Cheshire AND Tameside. Local Government boundaries are standardly used throughout Wikipedia and since Local Government reorganization in the 70s, Stalybridge has been in Tameside and not Cheshire. It is true that people in Stalybridge write "Stalybridge, Cheshire" as their address and their letters still get delivered but this doesn't mean anything. There are campaigns to reinstate the old county boundaries but until the campaigns are successful encyclopedia entries should use standard boundary definitions. (86.1.199.200 10:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)).[reply]

A far as I was aware (being from Stalybridge), the river Tame provides the Southern most boundery of Lancashire, thus the town is split in two. The area post codes that the Royal Male uses is Lancashire, Can anyone varyfy this? Thanks. 94.192.142.38 (talk) 13:48, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In Greater Manchester

It is no longer meaningful to say that Stalybridge is in Greater Manchester. Stalybridge is served by the Greater Manchester Waste Disposal Authority, Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Authority, Greater Manchester Police Authority and Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Authority. All of these are simply joint committees of various municipal councils. The extent of the area covered by these committees varies - for example Wigan is not covered by the Waste Authority.

The term Greater Manchester does not define the town's location in any more meaningful a way than saying, for example "Stalybridge is in Stockport" (Postal Area); "in Stalybridge" (Post Town); "in The Province of York" (Ecclesiastical province); "in The Diocese of Manchester" (Anglican Diocese); in "North West England" (European Constituency); "in South Manchester" (Coroner's District) "in The Diocese of Shrewsbury" (Roman Catholic Diocese); "in The Northern Circuit" (Legal Area); in Greater Manchester (Lieutenancy Area); "in the Duchy of Lancaster"...

Why insist on choosing to use the name of the Waste Disposal Authority? It isn't a very accurate way of providing a geographical description.--Bailrigg 16:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are obviously one of thses people who have some sort of problem with the existence of Greater Manchester, otherwise you wouldn't keep removilg reference to it. You claim that Greater Manchester isn't very useful as a geographic term. Well your version just says that it is in the north west of England. Seem as the north west region stretches from Crewe to Carlisle I would hasten to add that that isn't a terribly helpful geographic descriptor.

I'm sure most people have some idea where Greater Manchester is. Sowever I'm sure most people from outside of the area have never heard of Tameside, and the north west is too vauge. Greater Manchester seems like a perfectly sensible geographic descriptor. It is also consistant with every other article about towns in GM. G-Man * 19:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't write the northwest of England senternce. I do believe that northwest England is a more useful term to readers from outside the United Kingdom.

I'm not sure you're being consistent. If, as you say, most people outside the area have never heard of Tameside, why have you reinstated reference to it in the first paragraph?Bailrigg 20:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)§[reply]

Beatrix Potter

Is there any evidence to back up the claim that Beatrix Potter actually lived in Gorse Hall for a number of years? The Tameside Council website only mentions her visiting the Hall several times.

http://www.tameside.gov.uk/corpgen1/beatrixpotter.htm

Aenimiac 15:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Red Deer

I've removed the red deer 'fact' from the trivia section as I find it hard to believe. A quick Google search only turns up this page. If anyone has any proof that it happened then reinstate it with the proof. --Aenimiac 17:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've reinstated the red deer 'fact' from the trivia section. Yes, it is hard to believe otherwise it wouldn't be very interesting as trivia or worth including. Quick Google searches are sometimes useful but are not exhaustive research. Whether this 'fact' is true - I don't know. However, it was published in the national press some time in 1989. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Red_deer.JPG --Bailrigg 17:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The red deer incident did happen, I remember it being reported at the time. Unsure what year it happened though. --Oscarthecat

18:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I apologise, my mistake! --Aenimiac 13:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In most editions of the Guinness Book of Records post mid-1970s this event is mentioned in the "Fastest British Land Mammals" section. In my 1990 edition on p.26 it says, "On 19 Oct 1970 a frigtened runaway deer registered a speed of 67.5km/ph or 42mph on a police radar trap as it charged through a street in Stalybridge, Manchester." This has been removed from later editions I think.86.1.194.153 23:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rasbottom -> Ramsbottom. Bogus?

Rasbottom is an area of Stalybridge (Rasbottom Brow), while Ramsbottom is a place some 20-30 miles away in Lancashire. I wonder whether this [1] is a bogus edit. --Oscarthecat 22:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Was indeed bogus, see [2], I've reverted. --Oscarthecat 10:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stalybridge Celtic

Is it really correct to say that Stalybridge Celtic are consistently the most successful team in Tameside. Over the years that honour has, based on league positions, belonged to Ashton United, Mossley, Hyde United, and most recently Droylsden.Skinsmoke 12:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

None of other Tameside teams has ever made it into the top tier of non-league football. 86.1.194.153 23:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Station Bar

In the trivia section it says that Stalybridge Station bar is the only licensed bar on a station platform, I had a pint in Weymss Bay bar on platform 3, Weymss Bay station last week. I would be quite interested to know what qualifies a bar as a platform bar.86.1.194.153 23:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

View from Hollingworthall Moor

Have moved this image to Wild Bank article as most of the picture doesn't show Stalybridge. It does show the view described in the Wild Bank article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phon123 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Shame it didn't have more of Stalybridge in it as it was a great photograph. The article would benefit from something simillar in the infobox. Do you know of an alternative?

On another note, I'm worried that the article is sprawling somewhat. There are several unsourced paragraphs and alot of sweeping statements that may breach guidelines on trivia and notability. Food and drink and specific shops are generally things to be avoided.

The Geography and Environment sections look like possible parts for amalgamation too under WP:UKCITIES. Hope that helps. -- Jza84 · (talk) 00:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people

The following text has been removed from the article as it was unsourced, once references are supplied the entries can be re-added. Nev1 (talk) 20:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Aston European Cup Winner with Manchester United 1968
Josh Morgan of band The Subways
Peter Kenyon ex Manchester United now: CEO Chelsea FC
Alex Higgins, snooker player, lived on Old Road, Mottram
John Lees, winner of the 1957 Mr Universe competition
Joel Pott, lead singer with the indie band Athlete, who had a UK number one album with Tourist grew up in Stalybridge in a house on Stocks Lane
Kieran Lee Oldham Athletic player
Dominic Halpin, Swing Singer with Dominic Halpin & the Honey B's performed on the Inaugural voyage of Grand Princess and performed for Simon Cowell had original songs used in Brothers & Sisters (2006 TV series) grew up in Stalybridge, now lives in Carrbrook

Luddites

violent rioting on 20 April, 1812 was the riot at Burton Mill, Middleton. ( Quayle, Tom (2006). The Cotton Industry in Longdendale and Glossopdate. Tempus. p. 48.) The prose suggests that his riot was in Staleybridge needs a fix

And then in 1824. I need a reference and details of the 1824 Stalybridge mule spinners strike refered to in Roberts, Richard (DNB00) – via Wikisource. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cheshire and Lancashire?

I was always under the impression that the river tame provides the Southern most boundery of Lancashire, thus the town is split in two. The area post codes that the Royal Male uses is Lancashire, Can anyone varyfy this? Thanks. 94.192.142.38 (talk) 13:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"STALYBRIDGE, chiefly in Cheshire, though taking its name from a former hamlet in Ashton, obtained a Police Act in 1830, and was incorporated in 1857. The boundaries were extended in 1881 to include Millbrook in Stayley and Heyrod in Ashton. It has a council composed of mayor, eight aldermen, and twenty-four councillors. The whole was included in Cheshire in 1898. The town hall is in Lancashire." Victoria County History Lancashire Vol 4 p347. Mr Stephen (talk) 21:46, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]