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Would this be a good external link?

An excerpt from the Popol Vuh

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/hurakan.asp

The excerpt from the Popol Vuh is of interest, but as the page is current event oriented, I'm not sure of its long-term relevence. -- Infrogmation 01:38, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Comparative" section

I moved the below section here to talk, as it is strangely worded (and looks like a text dump from a source using strange abreviations) and is not clear. (It was also placed in the middle of the interwiki section.) -- Infrogmation 19:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comparative

Of spectre ultimate god, coalescent is phantom with dragon companion. Meso-Ameri. dragon, Tohil Quetzalcoatl (snake-bird) expected return (exploited for Cortez conquest) basis with Kukulcan (bird-snake) counterpart "grasp" as to Egyptol. 3 mummies (1 Khons Hor) with Phantom (2 Ptah) shapeshifter, Sebek; Gukumatz (the feathered snake) Guatemala, phantom shapeshifter, (plumed serpent theme) Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl and Hurakan share surname Tohil (hidden god religion) and spectre hidden God (mummy 3 Osiris return Horus) (Huracan) reasonably because Quiché legend about rubbing his sandals together and getting fire, tokenize Lakhmu and Lakhamu, dragon of Sumer. Rough geography Meso-Ameri. is Mexico - Guatemala Pacific ocean coast about 1000 miles Equador - Peru; 150 miles maximum Yucatan - Guatemala width to Pacific. Huracan legend is of climate and continent upheaval ending previous civilization and generating new language. Wuotan 18:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What dragon is

another person working on banning the subject dragon becauset you don't know it; and from New Orleans sadly.Wuotan 20:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Huracan->Ouragan->Oregon?

The page List of U.S. state name etymologies speculates that the name of Oregon may derive from the French word ouragan, meaning storm. This is related to the term Orcan, the German Orcan, the Spanish huracán. Should the possiblility be listed on this page? samwaltz 15:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. While I think its role in the etymology of huracán & other European equivalents is reasonably well-accepted (and noted in this article, according at least to the Oregon article that etymology is only one of several suggested for the State, and not it seems the most plausible. So I guess it may be a little too tangential to mention here...?--cjllw | TALK 23:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Verification

Can anyone check this? The page Hurricane (disambiguation) claims "Also derived from Hunraken, the Mayan god of winds." Is this an error in transcription? Or an alternate spelling? samwaltz 20:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Given that this article says the "Mayan" name was really Jun Raqan ("one-legged") (pronounced, I imagine, [xun raqan] in the IPA), "Hunraken" seems like a possible alternate spelling, but this is just a guess on my part. What I'd like to know, really, is which of the dozens of Mayan languages Jun Raqan supposedly comes from, and whether that's an accurate transcription of the name. --Miskwito 23:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ju(u)n- or hun- is the lexical root for "one" in just about all Mayan languages, with a couple of exceptions (eg Ch'orti': in(te)- and the Poqom languages: jinaj. Proto-Mayan reconstruct is */jun-/. However if the remainder is meant to be "his leg" then that would pretty much restrict it to highland Mayan langs of the Eastern branch, where the lexical root for "leg" is aqan or similar, and the -r- is 3rd pers. possessive prefix. In particular this etymology is most plausible in Classical Quiché, and the deity is mentioned as "huracan" in the Popol Vuh. An alternative explanation I've seen reference to is that it comes from hu[n]- + the numeral classifier -rakan, in which case it would mean something like "one of a kind/group".

At any rate hunraken seems to be a mistaken spelling, I don't see any justification for the "e".

Also just to note that the etymology for "hurricane" has also been proposed as Taino/Arawakan, IIRC.--cjllw | TALK 04:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay, thanks for the info!

Yes, I've actually been reading some stuff online about the etymology of "hurricane", and the most common claim given seems to be that it comes from Taino/Arawakan or a Cariban language; however, a few sources seem to say that Taino or Cariban borrowed the diety name from Mayan, and Mark Rosenfelder's list of words in English of Amerindian Origin glosses the Cariban word as "his one leg". So right now the etymology I've got on the List of U.S. state name etymologies (for one of the possible origins of "Oregon") is "derived from the Carib huracan, from the Mayan God Hurakan". But I'm not really happy about it, mainly because I don't know enough to be confident that I'm interpreting this stuff correctly. --Miskwito 20:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huracan or Huracán

We recently had new users attempt a "copy and paste" move of "Huacan" to "Huracán". I reverted the malformed move attempt; see Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page for the proper way to move a page. First, however, discussion. Is Huracán the proper Maya name, or is it the Spanish name? Other thoughts, suggestions? -- Infrogmation 14:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Garbled text from article

the following text was in the article - I think it was probably machine translation of the Maize creation myth - but I'm not sure - think it either needs to go - or an expert to turn this into something intelligible EdwardLane (talk) 15:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Huracan also helped destroy the manikins, the results of their second try. Huracan sent dogs and turkeys into the manikin's homes proclaiming revenge for the dogs and turkeys slain and eaten. Also, frying pans, mortars, pestles, and even stones came alive. The frying pans complained about their mouths being filled with ash and declared that they will be treated as them. The mortars complained about being banged with a pestle every day and that they will be beaten by pestles as their punishment. The pestles complained about their mouths being filled with grain each and every day. Finally, the stones shot out of the fireplace crushing the helpless manikins. Some sought refuge in trees but fell off after the branches shook them down. Some sought refuge in caves, but huge boulders closed the entrance entombing them forever. Some say you can still hear their sad wails to this day. The survivors ran into the forest and were chased by Huracan and the dogs and turkeys. They ran day and night until they could not go on. Huracan was pleased that there were no more manikins and so he walked until he found a field full of corn. He and Gúcumatz,the plumed serpent, handed the corn to Xmucane, who mixed corn with water to make dough. Out of this dough they made four men, Jaguar Quitze, Jaguar Night, Not Right Now and Dark Jaguar. Humans used to be able to do anything, fly, see oceans from far away, and inside rocks. Huracan clouded their vision so that they couldn't see so far. Huracan also sent Hunahpu and Xbalanque on their missions and presided over the decapitation of Zipacna the earth monster.

Should this page be merged with K'Awiil?

From this article: "His name, understood as 'One-Leg', suggests god K of Postclassic and Classic Maya iconography, a deity of lightning with one human leg,[4] and one leg shaped like a serpent. God K is commonly referred to as Bolon Tzacab and K'awiil or Kauil."

From the page for K'awiil: "In the cosmogony of the Popol Vuh, three Lightning deities identified with the 'Heart of the Sky' (among whom Huraqan 'One-Leg') create the earth out of the primordial sea, and people it with animals. Bolon Dzacab plays an important, if not very clear role in the cosmogonical myth related in the Book of Chilam Balam of Chumayel, where he is identified with wrapped-up seeds."

I wouldn't make this proposition if I had only noticed some similarities between these gods; but these gods' pages seem to be admitting that these are just 2 interpretations of the same figure in different Mayan cultures. With Huracan's page being so scant, shouldn't these pages be merged?

Please stop. (talk) 02:33, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I did a batch of articles on K'iche' deities some years ago - the fact that this one never got DYKed indicates there is very little to be written. I am a bit hesitant in lumping Huracan in with K'awiil, since the highland K'iche' were not the lowland Classic Maya, and while there was obviously some continuity, their cultures and contexts were distinct. A good example of the extent of divergance between superficially similar deities may be seen by looking at Q'uq'umatz and Kulkulkan. Simon Burchell (talk) 13:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]