Talk:Bass instrument

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On 21 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Bass (instrument) to Bass instrument. The result of the discussion was moved.

Bass family?

The modern upright/double Bass is not a member of the Violin family it is a descendant of the Viol. This can be seen in the shape of the instrument (Pointed shoulders not rounded like the violin Cello, and the tuning 4ths between strings not 5ths.)

J.C.

It's generally regarded as related to the violin because it is so commonly used alongside violins, violas and cellos. However, if you're sure about the descent, it would be worth at least adding a link to viol and making a note on the double bass article. Basswulf 09:44, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The viola is tuned to fifths. Hyacinth 12:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ampeg

What? No Ampeg Baby Bass?

Parentheses

Are the parentheses in the title necessary? How about Bass instrument? Hyacinth 12:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the parenthesis are just standard for a page that comes from a disambiguation page, but I'm not sure. I do think it would look better without parenthesis since it's talking about bass instruments. RageGarden 03:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This does seem to be supported by WP:NATURAL as in String instrument, Keyboard instrument, Brass instrument, ... Kuulopuhe (talk) 09:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Bass(instrument)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Bass(instrument) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 16 § Bass(instrument) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Range from C2?

How does it define a bass instrument for its range to be in the range C2-C4, when for example a normal 4-string electric bass guitar in standard tuning goes all the way down to E1? The page "Bass (sound)" includes the same weird claim. Segj2 (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 17:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bass (instrument) → Bass instrument – Natural disambiguation preferrable to parenthentical disambiguation. Kuulopuhe (talk) 09:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning oppose, on the grounds that the name of the instrument is the "bass", while there are other instruments that can play bass notes, meaning that "Bass instrument" sounds more like a reference to a class of instruments rather than a specific instrument. BD2412 T 21:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about a class of instruments... 162 etc. (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per BD2412. It also seems like an unnatural natural disambiguation— do people call these "bass instruments"? 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 00:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my defence against BD2412's point, as 162 etc. mentioned, the article is about the class of instruments, not a specific instrument. Also, I think if the phrasing seems unnatural to many then we ought to change the phrasing when it is used in the article and possibly move the Commons category to a more natural name. Kuulopuhe (talk) 02:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have also indeed found some people who refer to this class of instruments with the term "bass instruments":
- "Violoncello and Double Bass in the Chamber Music of Haydn and His Viennese Contemporaries, 1750-1780". Journal of the American Musicological Society. JSTOR 830968. (pp. 413, 414, 419, &c.)
- "Neural tracking of the musical beat is enhanced by low-frequency sounds". PNAS. doi:10.1073/pnas.1801421115.
- Roberts, W. (1970). "BASS WATCHACALLIT AND ALTO THINGAMAJIG". Music Journal, 28(7), 42. (p. 42)
- "The Choice of Instruments in Baroque Music". Early Music. JSTOR 3126060. (p. 133) Kuulopuhe (talk) 03:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hopkins, Lucas. The Bass Saxophone: A Historical Account and Performer's Guide (Thesis).
Oppose. "Bass instrument" is highly unnatural. — AjaxSmack 02:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on what? I have given a few sources where the term is used in my reply to Cremastra. Kuulopuhe (talk) 03:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This article is about a class of instruments, not a particular called a bass. There are several instruments commonly called 'bass', but they have their own articles are natural disambiguated titles (double bass, bass guitar). Srnec (talk) 21:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Srnec. This article is about the class of instruments known as bass instrument, not any particular one; its scope encompasses the bass guitar, upright bass, and a variety of other bass instruments. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.