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roc vs prc

if this is a list of countries of birth, #4-9 for "china (prc)" was listed by someone with little concern for historical accuracy or without any cultural understanding. it is a factual impossibility that any of #1 & 4-9 was born in the prc; the "people's republic of china" didn't exist until 1949. they were all born in a country that was then-known as the "republic of china," whose government moved to what is now known as "taiwan." the fact that the prc doesn't recognize the roc as an independent country seems irrelevant to whatever the arbitrary purpose of this article is. if this article is a list of "countries" as they are colloquially known, there seems to be no point in this articles existence. just as einstein wasn't born in "germany," likewise the aforementioned laureates were not born in the "prc."

samuel ting was born in michigan; that's in the usa. there is no mention of "prc" mentioned in mr. ting's bio on the nobel site, only "china." it completely eludes me as to why he is listed under prc except the entry editor was unintentionally racist. SollyWIKI (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yes

yes 2601:201:201:9D40:35E2:EDC5:AD32:CEFA (talk) 06:08, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should Mother Teresa be associated to Albania?

Although she wasn't an Albanian citizen until 1991 (the Nobel Prize having been awarded to her in 1979)? 2A01:CB04:BC:3200:4977:38D9:A2A2:A9FC (talk) 12:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Germany

Why do Emmanuelle Charpentier, Svante Pääbo and Ferenc Krausz fall under the "Germany" category? Do any of them have German citizenship? Is this ranking based on nationality/place of birth as it should be or does it include where some of the work has been done? (in the case of Emmanuelle Charpentier the work that owned her the Nobel Prize was carried out outside of Germany and she only moved there in 2015). If so shouldn't they only be under France, Sweden and Hungary+Austria, respectively? 84.185.230.36 (talk) 20:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Daron Acemoglu and Armenian Nobel Laureates

In my opinion, if we include Ardem Patapoutian solely on a basis of ethnicity, we should include Daron too. Both are fully Armenian by heritage. Also, there should be an indication that they are Armenian by descent and not by birth. Athoremmes (talk) 13:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armenia

Daron Acemoglu is not from Armenia. He does not have an Armenian citizenship. Neither his father nor his mother was born in Armenia. Being of Armenian ethnicity does not mean having an organic bond to the modern state of Armenia, if that was the case we would be listing every single Jewish laureate under Israel. He should only be listed under Turkey and USA, as these are the countries he is a citizen of. 176.216.143.64 (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We include the ancestry as a determinant for the inclusion under the country in some cases. This is why the “category” notion is used and not the “country” and the note under Armenia denotes that they are added on a basis of their ancestry.

I agree, “list of Jewish Nobel laureates” should be included under Israel too, but not the full one.

Nobel laureates, who are ethnically Turkish, will also be included under Turkey, given a chance.

Athoremmes (talk) 09:54, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"In some cases"? In what cases? The fact that you don't say in all cases implies that this is subjective and therefore inappropriate. It's like saying, "Nationality is whatever somebody feels like defining it as in a particular case" which is an invalid basis for categorizing or sorting anything here.

I'm American. My parents were Americans, US-born. One grandfather was born Romanian. If I win a Nobel Prize, nobody should be pretending that I am a Romanian laureate, as though Romania were somehow entitled to claim some glory on my account.

Being Jewish and being Israeli are two different things. You say that as though Israel owns all the world's Jews. It's false and offensive to lump them (us, in the case of Jews) together. I've never even been to Israel. If I win a Nobel Prize, it is absolutely not an Israeli achievement. Largoplazo (talk) 20:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This list has apriori an element of objectivity due to the term "country" being vague in this case. For example, Daron Acemoglu was born in Turkey, is of Armenian ancestry, but worked primarily in the US. Should he be only listed under Turkey? I suppose that would be quite a stretch for a lot of people.

Israel is an ethnostate. Athoremmes (talk) 20:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If Acemoglu isn't from Armenia and isn't an Armenian citizen, then Acemoglu isn't a laureate from Armenia.

Re your Israel comment, irrelevant. The day Israel came into existence, all the Jews of the world didn't automatically become citizens of, nationals of, residents of, or affiliated with that state. Largoplazo (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He is Armenian and is, therefore, related to Armenia as per ethnic basis. Moreover, we state explicitly there that we use the data for Armenia on the ground of one's ethnicity Athoremmes (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuele Charpentier

Charpentier is 25% Armenian and she is vocal about it. We add people of partial ancestry (Hassabis), so why won't we add Charpentier too, who is also of partial Armenian descent? The problem lies in 25% which is not the same as 50%, which Hassabis has, but it is enough for the application for Armenian citizenship and is already used in the List of Jewish Nobel laureates. Athoremmes (talk) 15:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We shouldn't be using ancestry at all. If I and my parents are American but I have one grandfather who was born in Romania and I win a Nobel Prize, I should absolutely not be listed as a Romanian laureate. It's using Wikipedia to claim glory on behalf of countries based on people who aren't from those countries just because some ancestor was. Largoplazo (talk) 20:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't claim being Romanian as your identity, I see no reason you should be listed as a Romanian. With Daron, Ardem and Charpentier this is not the case. Athoremmes (talk) 20:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If they aren't from Romania and aren't Romanian citizens then they aren't Romanian. Attempting to make classification as subjective as possible is antithetical to Wikipedia's purposes. Someone looking up a list of Nobel laureates from Romania is most likely interested in answering the question "Which Nobel laureates are from Romania?", not "From which Nobel laureates can Romania claim reflected glory on account of their having a great-grandmother who emigrated from Romania in 1887?" Largoplazo (talk) 16:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia respects one's identity if the article is about person's identity. If person would state that he is Christian, it would be reflected on his wikipedia page (if he is relevant enough, of course) and he, therefore, would be added on a list of Nobel laureates of certain religion. Athoremmes (talk) 18:22, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hungarians According to Hungarian citizenship law

There are additional 9-10 who were born as Hungarian citizens. Vazulvonal of Stockholm (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we guess who they are or are you going to tell us? Largoplazo (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was forced to delete some you added. They need to be in chronological order, with the name of the discipline they won in noted. Bkatcher (talk) 14:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]